April 17, 2006Another Battle for Baghdad?So says the Times (UK). Larry Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Colin Powell at the State Department, said a crackdown in Baghdad was one of the few ways in which a fresh Iraqi government could bind the new national army and prove its mettle. Yes, Baghdad is a mess, and control over it needs to be re-asserted. Pity Don Rumsfeld will likely be at the helm of such a prospective operation, as that would significantly reduce our chances of success. Posted by Gregory at April 17, 2006 03:58 AM | TrackBack (0)Comments
I spend half my time reading comments from people like Wilkerson talking about what has to be done. Unfortunately, they appear to be saying it when what they say should be done is already actively being discussed or has already started. There are people like this everwhere who make or made their careers by moving around the edges picking up others ideas and pretending they are the authors. Posted by: davod at April 17, 2006 05:22 AM | Permalink to this comment"The operation is likely to take place towards the end of the summer" Perfect timing for November's US elections, isn't it? Late enough that success can be carried by the echo chamber into November, but early enough to be buried under the usual fundamentalist bait (gay marriages, etc) before November if things go badly. Posted by: anon at April 17, 2006 07:04 AM | Permalink to this commentPerfect timing for November's US elections, isn't it? Now see, that's the good news. Because it's possible that TSLOB obviates the (domestic political) need for an October Surprise over Persia. I do wonder why, if everything seemed fine to Ralph Peters and the media started talking about "civil war" only because "the insurgency is waning," we need a big military operation to secure the Iraqi capital, but there's probably some hawkish logic by which it all fits together. Posted by: Jim Henley at April 17, 2006 01:08 PM | Permalink to this commentYes, Baghdad is a mess, and control over it needs to be re-asserted. Pity Don Rumsfeld will likely be at the helm of such a prospective operation, as that would significantly reduce our chances of success. ah, I see you are back to your usual habit of pretending that the guy in the White House bears no responsibility for the Iraq mess. .... btw, how would you propose that a city the size of Baghdad that has descended into sectarian chaos be "brought under control" (short of reviving Ariel Sharon and his Christian Phalangist allies to go all genocidal on certain Baghdad neighborhoods....?) Posted by: p.lukasiak at April 17, 2006 01:37 PM | Permalink to this commentEven a muder & bulldoze the corpses solution (a la Sharon) doesn't seem too promising to me, given the stories that it is uniformed police/soldiers/Interim Ministry/who knows gangs that are doing a lot of the assassinations and terrorism in Baghdad these days. I mean, mudering and bulldozing non-uniformed people may not help the intranecine (or rather, intra-governmental?) civil war? Posted by: Not2Hopeful at April 17, 2006 02:35 PM | Permalink to this commentWhen it comes to murdering and bulldozing people in mass, the late Hafez Assad of Syria is by far the better example with his estamated 30,000 victims when he had the rebellious city of Hamma destroyed in the Summer 0f 1982 then Sharon with his around 500-1,000 victims killed by the Christian Phalangists at Chantila & Sabra refugee camps in Lebanon in Sept. 1982. Posted by: David All at April 18, 2006 04:47 PM | Permalink to this comment David, I think you may have misposted -- it looks like you were looking for some thread about who has slaughtered the most people, not a thread about whether Baghdad could be brought under control, and whether reviving a genocidal solution a la Sharon would help. Anyway, back to the topic -- to a certain extent, ethnic cleansing is already happening, and indeed, government involvement (a la Sharon murder & cover) is already (reportedly) happening as well, as witness the decapitated bodies found every day, and the fear of all uniformed people with guns. Ethnic displacement is (reportedly) growing. Greg, How do you feel about the slandering of Ariel Sharon that is taking place here? Posted by: liberalhawk at April 18, 2006 06:38 PM | Permalink to this comment[[In the absence of progress by then, the war may come to be seen by the American public as a lost cause.]] "May come to be seen"?? That train has left the station. Posted by: Lex at April 19, 2006 09:29 PM | Permalink to this commentLilberalhawk, nobody has slandered Sharon here. But I'll do it. Sharon as a military administrator was about as good as Rumsfeld. There. That's slander! Not2Hopeful: No I have not mispost. Calling Sharon's actions in Lebanon and elsewhere, genocide is an gross obsencity verging on blood libel. That Sharon turn a blind eye to the Phalangist Militia Massacre in Sabra & Chantilla, which was retaliation for earlier Palestinian massacres of Christians was an indirect war crime, yes. Calling it genocide is as obsence as because of the My Lai Massacre calling all American troops in Vietnam, baby killers and war criminals! Posted by: David All at April 20, 2006 03:21 PM | Permalink to this commentSo, David, do you think Sharon bulldoze and bury is a path the US military should adopt? I have grave doubts that it would accomplish much except make the US a pariah across most of the world -- without actually accomplishing the hoped-for stability in Iraq. Currently, I think that not very much of the ethnic cleansing can be reasonably laid at the door of the US military. I think that that is good, because, if we must lose the war on terror (and sometimes I think this administration is dedicating to losing the war on terror), I'd prefer not to simultaneously lose the propaganda war. Posted by: Not2Hopeful at April 20, 2006 07:32 PM | Permalink to this commentCurrently, I think that not very much of the ethnic cleansing can be reasonably laid at the door of the US military. I think that that is good, because, if we must lose the war on terror (and sometimes I think this administration is dedicating to losing the war on terror), I'd prefer not to simultaneously lose the propaganda war. Not2hopeful, yes, by all means let's try to keep from being blamed for the ethnic cleansing, and maybe we can win the propaganda war. A U.S. military source told Newsweek, “The Sunni population is paying no price for the support it is giving to the terrorists. From their point of view, it is cost-free. We have to change that equation.” Google "The salvador option". http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=PAR20050112&articleId=360 |
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