The Belgravia Dispatch: The Forgotten, Forgotten War

October 09, 2007

The Forgotten, Forgotten War

For a hint as to why things aren't going particularly swimmingly here recall that the North Atlantic Treaty was consummated back in 1949--with the main goal having NATO, of course, serve primarily as a bulwark against the Soviet Union. Article 5 states:

The Parties of NATO agreed that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all. Consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence will assist the Party or Parties being attacked, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

But not a single one of the original signatories in a million years would have imagined half a century on that this provision would be invoked to engage in decades-long nation building efforts in the wilds of Kandahar. Don't get me wrong. Invoking the collective security provision of NATO's charter— that any attack on a member state would be considered an attack against the entire group of members--was an understandable reaction to the 9/11 attacks. But decimating al-Qaeda's encampments and capturing its top leadership (which we've still failed to do, incredibly) should have been accomplished with exacting, rapid-fire precision--with the alliance than focusing anew on its primary area of responsiblity, which is to say, preservation of stability in Europe and the broader Atlantic Community.

Given the death of the Soviet Union (Fred Thompson aside) and Warsaw Pact--and prodded along by the events of 9/11--NATO is casting about somewhat clumsily for a new role, perhaps akin to some pan-global 'missionary-style' force for long-term peace and security. And amidst this muddled, to be determined mandate, there's seems to be quite a bias towards further expansion. There's the Partnership for Peace, the Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council, the Individual Partnership Action Plans, not to mention a couple "dialogues" underway (Mediterranean, Intensified). Where will all these exciting dialogues lead, one wonders? Likely the steady deterioration of a cohesive NATO alliance, I'd wager, if for no other reason than it gets gradually rendered irrelevant and/or becomes overly unwieldly given all this dilution...still, it's really cool the Georgians (that's one of the "Intensified Dialogues", mind you) are helping protect us against the Iranian threat... Very serious!

P.S. Tangential, I guess, if somewhat related, but of all the many photographs we've seen of the Iraq War, this one is well up there for most surreal espied to date...

Posted by Gregory at October 9, 2007 01:02 AM

Comments

This soldier in Afghanistan has something to say about that:

...ultimately, protecting America involves more than just killing bad guys. That means I’ve often got different missions than the ones I envisioned in my sleep-deprived days of Ranger school, where I dreamed of mowing down the Islamist horde with an endless belt of 7.62. Despite what Brian DePalma and his ilk might think, I don’t go around dictating law with the muzzle of my rifle...

Read it all.

Posted by: Solomon2 at October 9, 2007 01:48 PM | Permalink to this comment

Gregory,

I usually find myself agreeing with your judgments, but the photo you link to does not hold a candle to http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=99999999&g2_itemId=1487

Posted by: Wendell at October 9, 2007 09:48 PM | Permalink to this comment

Wendell, you're wrong. Your photo show the inanity of the Americans, Gregories the inanity of the Iraq war itself. Forget the Orthodox priest, what are Georgians doing there in the first place. Even they are not members of NATO.

As far as NATO is concerned, it should have folded its tent around 1989-1990 since the reason d'etre behind its establishment fell with the Berlin wall. But like all good bureaucratic groups who have thousands dependent upon its existence, it redefined it mission to: well never mind. It's one chance to act as a military power in Afghanistan is now becoming undone as some of its members start saying, "what the hell has this to do with my country anyway."

But going back, NATO has always been an empty suit. That the Soviets were also an empty suit gave it some semblance of a legitimate outfit. But we all knew that if the Soviets launched an attack against a NATO country, none would have responded but the USA.

Which brings me to the basic question, since when did it become our job to protect the Europeans. I think Ike saw that our inability to extract ourselves from Europe after WWII was going to bring about the Military-Industrial-University combination that would benefit financially from an aggressive foreign policy. The result of the debacle in Iraq is a call for increasing our Army and Marines. You'd thin that we would want to cut back on our forces since we should have learned that having them is a great temptation to foolishness.

Having a great Army means you have to use it. Having a great Navy and Air Force requires the same mandate. Therefore, as Senator McCain said tonight, Iran is very close to being attacked. All we need is for the Harry S Truman and one other of our carriers to get in position.

Posted by: Llyonnoc at October 9, 2007 10:24 PM | Permalink to this comment

Llyonnoc:

"we all knew that if the Soviets launched an attack against a NATO country, none would have responded but the USA."

That is questionable. To put it mildly.

Ever hear of the BAOR (British Army of the Rhine) or RAFG (Royal Air Force Germany)? ACE Mobile Force?
And that's just for starters.

As regards the Soviet Union, it may have been an empty suit by 1989; that was hardly the case in 1949.

Posted by: John Farren at October 10, 2007 05:49 AM | Permalink to this comment

This photo (and comment), I think sums up the occupation of Iraq best for me.

Posted by: blowback at October 11, 2007 01:20 PM | Permalink to this comment

Actually, Article 5 has nothing to do with Afghanistan. NATO participation occured in 2003 under Article 4 to support the UN mandated ISAF mission. THis is a UN mission with NATO providing command and control for the military forces. Note: Not all participating militaries are from NATO nations.

Posted by: Mike at October 16, 2007 05:16 AM | Permalink to this comment

	« Policy-Making as Travesty \| Main \| Force of Example Vs. Preaching Under the Barrel of a Gun » October 09, 2007 The Forgotten, Forgotten War For a hint as to why things aren't going particularly swimmingly here recall that the North Atlantic Treaty was consummated back in 1949--with the main goal having NATO, of course, serve primarily as a bulwark against the Soviet Union. Article 5 states: The Parties of NATO agreed that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all. Consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence will assist the Party or Parties being attacked, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area. But not a single one of the original signatories in a million years would have imagined half a century on that this provision would be invoked to engage in decades-long nation building efforts in the wilds of Kandahar. Don't get me wrong. Invoking the collective security provision of NATO's charter— that any attack on a member state would be considered an attack against the entire group of members--was an understandable reaction to the 9/11 attacks. But decimating al-Qaeda's encampments and capturing its top leadership (which we've still failed to do, incredibly) should have been accomplished with exacting, rapid-fire precision--with the alliance than focusing anew on its primary area of responsiblity, which is to say, preservation of stability in Europe and the broader Atlantic Community. Given the death of the Soviet Union (Fred Thompson aside) and Warsaw Pact--and prodded along by the events of 9/11--NATO is casting about somewhat clumsily for a new role, perhaps akin to some pan-global 'missionary-style' force for long-term peace and security. And amidst this muddled, to be determined mandate, there's seems to be quite a bias towards further expansion. There's the Partnership for Peace, the Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council, the Individual Partnership Action Plans, not to mention a couple "dialogues" underway (Mediterranean, Intensified). Where will all these exciting dialogues lead, one wonders? Likely the steady deterioration of a cohesive NATO alliance, I'd wager, if for no other reason than it gets gradually rendered irrelevant and/or becomes overly unwieldly given all this dilution...still, it's really cool the Georgians (that's one of the "Intensified Dialogues", mind you) are helping protect us against the Iranian threat... Very serious! P.S. Tangential, I guess, if somewhat related, but of all the many photographs we've seen of the Iraq War, this one is well up there for most surreal espied to date... Posted by Gregory at October 9, 2007 01:02 AM Comments This soldier in Afghanistan has something to say about that: ...ultimately, protecting America involves more than just killing bad guys. That means I’ve often got different missions than the ones I envisioned in my sleep-deprived days of Ranger school, where I dreamed of mowing down the Islamist horde with an endless belt of 7.62. Despite what Brian DePalma and his ilk might think, I don’t go around dictating law with the muzzle of my rifle... Read it all. Posted by: Solomon2 at October 9, 2007 01:48 PM \| Permalink to this comment Gregory, I usually find myself agreeing with your judgments, but the photo you link to does not hold a candle to http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=99999999&g2_itemId=1487 Posted by: Wendell at October 9, 2007 09:48 PM \| Permalink to this comment Wendell, you're wrong. Your photo show the inanity of the Americans, Gregories the inanity of the Iraq war itself. Forget the Orthodox priest, what are Georgians doing there in the first place. Even they are not members of NATO. As far as NATO is concerned, it should have folded its tent around 1989-1990 since the reason d'etre behind its establishment fell with the Berlin wall. But like all good bureaucratic groups who have thousands dependent upon its existence, it redefined it mission to: well never mind. It's one chance to act as a military power in Afghanistan is now becoming undone as some of its members start saying, "what the hell has this to do with my country anyway." But going back, NATO has always been an empty suit. That the Soviets were also an empty suit gave it some semblance of a legitimate outfit. But we all knew that if the Soviets launched an attack against a NATO country, none would have responded but the USA. Which brings me to the basic question, since when did it become our job to protect the Europeans. I think Ike saw that our inability to extract ourselves from Europe after WWII was going to bring about the Military-Industrial-University combination that would benefit financially from an aggressive foreign policy. The result of the debacle in Iraq is a call for increasing our Army and Marines. You'd thin that we would want to cut back on our forces since we should have learned that having them is a great temptation to foolishness. Having a great Army means you have to use it. Having a great Navy and Air Force requires the same mandate. Therefore, as Senator McCain said tonight, Iran is very close to being attacked. All we need is for the Harry S Truman and one other of our carriers to get in position. Posted by: Llyonnoc at October 9, 2007 10:24 PM \| Permalink to this comment Llyonnoc: "we all knew that if the Soviets launched an attack against a NATO country, none would have responded but the USA." That is questionable. To put it mildly. Ever hear of the BAOR (British Army of the Rhine) or RAFG (Royal Air Force Germany)? ACE Mobile Force? And that's just for starters. As regards the Soviet Union, it may have been an empty suit by 1989; that was hardly the case in 1949. Posted by: John Farren at October 10, 2007 05:49 AM \| Permalink to this comment This photo (and comment), I think sums up the occupation of Iraq best for me. Posted by: blowback at October 11, 2007 01:20 PM \| Permalink to this comment Actually, Article 5 has nothing to do with Afghanistan. NATO participation occured in 2003 under Article 4 to support the UN mandated ISAF mission. THis is a UN mission with NATO providing command and control for the military forces. Note: Not all participating militaries are from NATO nations. Posted by: Mike at October 16, 2007 05:16 AM \| Permalink to this comment Post a comment Name: Email Address: URL: Remember personal info? YesNo Comments:		Reviews of Belgravia Dispatch "Awake" --New York Times "Always-Worth Reading" --Andrew Sullivan "Honorary Chair--American Appeasement Blogs" --Hugh Hewitt Recent Entries Our Sunni BFF's (Or Perhaps Not...) Brutish Nightmare, or Kaganite Reverie? Cooling Your Heels at the Dacha... Thanks, But No Thanks... Beneficent Sanctuaries "Mr. Secretary, I Got An Interesting Question..." Cheeky Bull Mission Accomplished: Contented Officialdom! Force of Example Vs. 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