December 22, 2004

More on the Torture Story Around the Blogosphere

Eric, Jon (from the right) and Praktike generously express support. Laura has more. And J. Bradford DeLong makes a little sport of B.D. Hey, it's the blogosphere. You reap what you sow. And payback is a bitch. Back later.

Posted by Gregory at December 22, 2004 12:00 AM

Looking forward to it...


Posted by: Brad DeLong at December 22, 2004 02:10 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

Ah, Brad DeLong. Nice Post over at your site.

I've seen B.D. in the same light since I started visiting a couple weeks ago.

Posted by: avedis at December 22, 2004 02:30 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

Payback is a bitch, but feedback is the breakfast of champions. When you're finished being mad at DeLong, consider his argument: that the buck doesn't stop on Rumsfeld's desk.

Still, I agree that Brad might have taken the time first to give you due credit for criticizing your own side. So I did it for him.

Posted by: Mark Kleiman at December 22, 2004 04:17 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

thax mark. btw, when i wrote you "reap what you sow" and "payback is a bitch" i meant, not that i was launching some blogospheric quasi-fatwa at brad b/c i was pissed off, but rather that i'm perfectly ok getting my 'just deserts' (whether fairly or not) from precincts blogosphere-left for my bush endorsement. so i'm perfectly happy to take the ribbings and punches--particularly witty and non-nasty ones like Brad's. still, er, i'll keep a closer eye on brad's blog in the coming weeks... :-)

Posted by: greg at December 22, 2004 04:36 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

I'll try to slip, and write something classically Berkeley-left and Berkeley-stupid in the next week or so...


Posted by: Brad DeLong at December 22, 2004 05:09 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

Hey Greg, thanks for the link but why didn't I get one of those shiny new trackback pings? It's what all the kids are asking for this, I mean holiday season.

Posted by: Eric Martin at December 22, 2004 04:16 PM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

eric, b/c i'm something of a luddite (perhaps rare for a blogger?) a new year's resolution will be getting trackbacks enabled...

Posted by: greg at December 23, 2004 12:19 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

Greg, I've been tossing in my two cents in an attempt to bust your balls in what little way I may because I think you're actually a reasonable guy.

I served my country. I was a stuanch Republican.

I switched political affilitiation after Gulf War 1. I was starting becoming educated studying economics in graduate school. I had also been around and seen first hand the methods of American foreign policy (in the eightees - use your imagination). America often meant nothing about promoting democracy and was more a mixture of preventing communism and protecting US corperate interests at any cost; including assisting dictators with death squads.

I really feared Clinton would be a disaster; that old ingrained fear of liberalism acting up. I was going to hold my nose and vote for Bush 1. Ultimately I stayed home and didn't vote.

Then, next time around, I happily cast my vote for Clinton.

Now, I'm registered independent, but I almost always vote Democrat.

You can do it too.

Look at your fellow conservatives. They don't want to discuss the torture of prisoners by US troops. Some defend the torture. Some advocate it. But very few are outraged.

Your plea to conservatives to stand up and shout over this issue is falling on deaf ears. Doesn't that tell you something about your party? What other darkness is lurking in their hearts?

Move towards the light, Greg.

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