January 06, 2005

Dude, the Tsunami was Rigged!

This, and other assorted shouts and clamors from the hard Left's 'moronic inferno', here. (Hat Tip: reader Jon Baliles). Oh, there's oil involved. Sound familiar?


Posted by Gregory at January 6, 2005 06:23 AM
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Just wanted to say, when the leftists are going to this much trouble to destroy their own credibility, it is only natural that conservatives like me want them to keep doing it, so please don't try to stop them.

Posted by: Monty at January 6, 2005 10:25 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

The Portland Independent, yeah right, Greg. Every liberal I know subscribes and has faith in their every word; sure.

You know Greg, when you make a post like this it is your own reputation that is tarnished.

You know perfectly well that the article is representative of the left's lunatic fringe, not its median. You know perfectly well that anyone could just as easliy dredge up equally ridiculous material from the right's lunatic fringe.

You're not fooling or persuading anyone serious. All you're doing is whipping up the ire of your own intellectually dull fringe crazies in Limbaughesque fashion.

You're not zonked out of your gourd on narcotics are you?

Shame on you. You've stooped to new lows. One might even think that this has occurred because you've come to the point here you realize that the left has been correct on Iraq, etc all along. You've run out of any quasi-cogent rebuttal. Now, like a mortally wounded beast, you thrash bitterly and impotently in a vain weak effort to defy your imminent demise.


Posted by: avedis at January 6, 2005 03:33 PM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

It is a ridiculous theory, truly, but I've never even heard of the Portland Independent before.

Along the lines of what Avedis said, how hard do you think it would be to dig up some right-wing religious screed about how the tsunami was God's will and a form of punishment for the heathen idol-worshippers?

In fact, I think Tom Delay was waxing biblical on the subject just the other day:

http://amcop.blogspot.com/2005/01/choice-words.html

But what interest would that serve? We can both poke fun at the other side's fanatics, but I think it would be better if we tried to find common ground. Let the looney's prattle on to each other.

Posted by: Eric Martin at January 6, 2005 03:59 PM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

I tend to agree with Avedis, above. The Indy folks are well-known to be at the fringe, the very far end of the fringe. To compare them to the Guardian seems a bit excessive.

Posted by: David Sucher at January 6, 2005 04:01 PM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

Although I shouldn't, since I in fact agree totally with Eric, I'd be interested in your reaction to DeLay's theological excursion.

Posted by: nadezhda at January 6, 2005 04:15 PM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

"That's some goood crazy!"

Posted by: Mikey at January 6, 2005 08:54 PM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

Sadly, that sort of know-nothing obscurantism is all too common among the Deaniac crowd (though, not, it must be stressed, by Dean himself who is eminently sensible).

Generations of people have been raised on conspiracy theories, and thus descend into loonyism, instead of genuine criticism of Bush.

Really, it's not that far from the usual "Bush=Hitler, Haliburton, blood for oil" cries we saw from many in the Democratic Party. Sadly for Dean, this is his base (he's really a moderate pretending to be a radical).

Posted by: Jim Rockford at January 6, 2005 11:25 PM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

Jim,

And what of my point about religious fanaticism? People raised on the Rapture and other dogma? Is that not also a shame?

Posted by: Eric Martin at January 7, 2005 12:14 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

jim rokcferd what exacly do u thikn 'obscurantism' means if u dont mind my askin?

Posted by: HA HA HA at January 7, 2005 12:25 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

This is my first post, and I like the BD posts I've read.

This Portland group provided great comic relief.

Posted by: Publius Rex at January 7, 2005 04:36 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

er avedis, chill out a tad, ok? by calling this crude conspiracy mongering that of the "hard" left and constitutive of the 'moronic inferno'--i certainly wasn't painting this indymedia crowd as sober DLC denizens. and i'm allowed to have a little fun in this space without tiresome browbeating, once in a while, i hope and trust...

Posted by: greg at January 7, 2005 04:44 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

Eric --

When the 92 Convention came along, and Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Pitchfork Pat Buchanon came on to ignite the culture wars and run against a TV character, everyone knew that the Republicans were toast. They didn't keep their loonies locked up but let them roam free, foaming at the mouth. Dan Quayle being possibly the stupidest human being on the planet didn't help either.

Now MY Party seems intent on following that same gameplan. Finding the MOST offensive and lunatic crazies and promoting them, giving their wacky idiotic ideas credence.

What's sad is that the Islamic nutcases have inevitably figured out who is responsible for the Tsunami. Yes Bush. And the Jews. Sigh.

Same symptoms for the same disease (loony-ism).

Posted by: Jim Rockford at January 7, 2005 04:48 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

Ah, "leftist." Another noise word used by the cognitively challenged. If you have a point (which I doubt) you might want to consider making it.

Posted by: raj at January 7, 2005 11:51 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

"er avedis, chill out a tad, ok? by calling this crude conspiracy mongering that of the "hard" left and constitutive of the 'moronic inferno'--i certainly wasn't painting this indymedia crowd as sober DLC denizens."

Ok, taking a deep breath in......and holding..1.....2.......3 and exhaling slowly.................

If you had simultaneously posted an equally looney example of rightwing perspective I would be laughing along with you.

As noted in the comments above, your post tends to discredit the far left and moderate alike because most readers don't pick up on your subtle qualifiers.

Also, what you consider the "hard" left and what readers consider hard left may be entirely different. Many on the right considered J. Kerry as being hard left.

Look, we're living in pretty serious times right now due to threats to our way of life on both the foreign and domestic fronts. Social Security is up for "reform", the Nov. 2, 20004 Ohio election results are being challenged by Democrat US Senators; and for some good reasons if the stats I've seen are valid.

Reasonable debate between ideologies is needed. We should see the debate as involving equally patriotic and equally concerned citizens trying to do the best for their country. Shouting down and name calling and discreditting through absurd reduction is not "ok". It's not responsible.

But, hey, it is your space afterall.

Write whatever you want to, of course. My vacation is almost over, but, as long as you ask for comments, I'll stop by a drop one off from time to time.

Posted by: avedis at January 7, 2005 08:07 PM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

Strange...

My comment was erased.

Is this a conspiracy?

Posted by: Mike from Canada at January 9, 2005 04:58 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

Also...

Why the font change?

Posted by: Mike from Canada at January 9, 2005 04:59 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

I'll try again (not word-for-word):

I certainly don't believe the tsunami disaster was man-made but then, what do I know.

I'm wondering why "conspiracy-theorist" is always such a derisive label. As when directed at someone, for example, who points out sloppy voting procedures in Ohio. Conspiracies have certainly occurred - throughout history, in every society. Whether it's a nasty little round of office politics or, say, selling arms to an enemy country to prop up a rebel group elsewhere, diabolical power-plays actually do happen. These are not theories.

In fact, given the direction of world events, I'm more likely to trust the conspiracy-theorists over those who mock and ridicule them.

Posted by: Mike from Canada at January 9, 2005 05:29 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

Mike from Canada,
I generally believe in the "principle of least conspiracy" - never assume conspiracy if a more mundane explanation like incompetence, sloth or natural causes is just as plausible. It's the only way to stay sane.

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Posted by: black nylons at January 12, 2005 02:16 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

If you think that our leftist establishments and people in general are not conspiracy mad, particularly when it involves:

a) military
b) big business
c) governemnt
d) jews/neocons

then check out our dear beloved (sarcastic) BBCs take on the Tsunami conspiracy:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4149637.stm

Posted by: lee at January 12, 2005 10:34 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink
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