January 13, 2005

A World Without Israel

So, would the world be so different? Well, no. Josef Joffe explains.

Posted by Gregory at January 13, 2005 04:20 AM
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The article is blatant Zionist propaganda.

The Arabs are totally screwed up people. It doesn't matter what Isreal does. It doesn't matter that Isreal has nuclear weapons. The West Bank doesn't matter. The trouble in the ME all comes from those stupid screwed up Arabs.

Yeah, right. Whatever.

The guy doesn't allow for one iota of Isreali responsibility for the ME trouble.

More opinion from the gamma quadrant courtesy of Greg D.

Posted by: avedis at January 13, 2005 01:55 PM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

I think he's arguing against a strawman here.

I don't think anyone reputable or serious believes that "5 million Jews are solely responsible for the rage of 1 billion or so Muslims."

And if you think about it, Israel and the Cairo Conference after WWI are fairly intertwined in history -- which is why we get all of those goofy borders, too. And I'd say that the Cairo Conference probably goes in the root cause pile with a lot of other stuff.

I noticed nothing about Palestinian refugee camps in the article. As every schoolboy knows, refugee camps are historically bad news -- places for the dispossesed to become radicalized. It happened in Rwanda, Afghanistan, and countless other places around the world ...

In general, I'd say the piece needs work. Probably tried to publish in the more august Foreign Affairs and got dissed ...

Posted by: praktike at January 13, 2005 02:30 PM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

avedis care to point out any factual errors in the piece? Or is it possible to get the facts right and still produce propoganda?

Posted by: Andrew Paterson at January 13, 2005 02:53 PM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

The eroors are largely those of ommission.

Praktike is right that the author sets up a straw man.

Posted by: avedis at January 13, 2005 08:35 PM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

Avedis is letting his anti-semitism slip through. Again.

Praktike too.

Israel and the Palestinians have nothing to do with situation of the ordinary Morrocan, Pakistani, Iranian, or Saudi. Yet Jew hatred rages unchecked like Nazi Germany. Iranian TV has a series "detailing" how Israelis "steal poor Palestinian children's organs." Egypt runs the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Arab and Muslim societies *ARE* sick. Sick and twisted. It's sick to, for example, hang a sixteen year old girl for being raped, or stone a 13 year old to death for the same "crime." It's sick and twisted to deny people freedom of religion. It's sick and twisted to practise child marriage, and honor killings.

And it's sick and twisted to predicate the entire problems of the Middle East on Israel.

The author is completely correct; Darfur, Iran-Iraq; the Kurds; Pakistan; Southern Thailand; Algeria; Chechnya etc. have nothing to do with Jews or Israel.

The dirty little secret of the left? Anti-semitism. It's one reason I have problems with much of the Democratic Party. It used to be you'd find your basic anti-semites inhabiting the Pitchfork Pat Buchanon territory. Now you find them at MoveOn and Daily Kos.

Hint: when you find yourself agreeing with Buchanon it's a clue you're wrong.

Posted by: Jim Rockford at January 14, 2005 05:15 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

rather than just link this i should have analyzed and given a view. Just. No. Time. thx for feedback though guys.gd

Posted by: greg at January 14, 2005 05:47 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink
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