July 14, 2005

Al Greenspan Spotted in Leeds!

TCR goes a bit tin-hatty....but we still think he's great...

But not too many self-described conservatives-even those with a "strong independent streak"--have gotten quite this hot under the collar over Karlie just yet.

It's too early to say he is officially guilty of anything. But what we know at this point is more than a little ugly, and has extremely serious implications. The outing of a CIA agent would be bad enough. But the possibility of the most powerful unelected---and thus unaccountable---White House official trafficking in national secrets as part of an effort to subvert and short-circuit the public debate over the need to go to war? It would certainly be on a par with Watergate, and arguably far more serious. Until we get some clarity on all this, Rove must step aside to salvage what integrity remains for this administration. He certainly cannot be effective if he stays, unless his job is solely to make speeches about Dick Durbin and "the motives of liberals." And he wouldn't even be able to do that well right now. By the way, we now know the genesis of and motive behind that speech: a "get one last shot in while I still can" blast from a man who knew what was about to go down.

Whoah cowboy, slow down a lil' second! It's one thing to float the idea of suspending Rove's security clearance pending Fitzerald's conclusions; it's quite another to recommend Rove simply "step aside" before the investigation is complete. Hyperbolic too to suggest at this stage that this is some Watergate redux (or even, "far more serious"!). And Rove saw this all coming, thus the "genesis and motive" for comments about shrinks and liberals and therapy? C'mon! What next, UBL nabbed in Waziristan the day after Fitzerald serves up charges on the Porcine Perjurer? I mean, it's not even October yet...

Facetious notes aside, let's all take a deep breath and count to ten, shall we?

Posted by Gregory at July 14, 2005 05:24 AM | TrackBack (11)
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Y'know, having read a bit of cunning realist in the past, I'm just a little skeptical of 'well-intentioned advice' from those quarters. Check out the archives for yourself and let me know if I'm off-base here...

Posted by: rosignol at July 14, 2005 06:36 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

There is no need to wait, Greg.

Rove should either resign, or come clean with the American people immediately, and see if his resignation is demanded by them when they know the truth.

There is no question that Rove is responsible for outing an NOC CIA agent. There is no question that he has denied any involvement in the past, and parsing previous statements of non-involvement doesn't cut it. Perhaps more importantly, the White House also denied any involvemnt on Rove's part, and it needs to clear the air immediately lest Bush's credibility drop even further.

But instead of telling us what happened, we are getting one of the most underhanded smears of an American hero imaginable. (You may not like Joe Wilson, but match his credibility with Bush, Rice, Cheney, Rummy or any other administration bigshot involved in "selling" us the Iraq war, and and Wilson will emerge looking like Mr. Integrity).

So lets not kid ourselves here. Rove is looking guilty as sin, and thee is simply no reason to not tell the truth--or resign-- at this point.

Posted by: p.lukasiak at July 14, 2005 04:36 PM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

There nothing particularly odd about a government official being placed on unpaid leave pending the result of an investigation.

Check this Google News search for "unpaid leave pending"...

If small town local officials are put on unpaid leave during an investigation, then surely it's appropriate, or even essential, that it be done in Rove's situation, where national security is involved.

Posted by: Jon H at July 14, 2005 05:05 PM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

This is all finally out in the open. In the clear light of day we can examine Mr. Wilson for what he is,a fraud, an opportunist,and if you look at his work record the ultimate underachiever. His career personifies why the best and the brightest no longer take a career path into the State Dept.and why there there are so many refugees from it.

Posted by: Willie at July 14, 2005 05:57 PM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

Previous poster, the fact that Wilson may be less than upstanding has zero bearing on the legality of what Rove did or did not do. Why is that so hard to understand?

Or do you not want to understand it?

Posted by: Jill at July 14, 2005 08:13 PM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

This is all finally out in the open. In the clear light of day we can examine Mr. Wilson for what he is,a fraud, an opportunist,and if you look at his work record the ultimate underachiever.

George WH Bush considers Wilson an American hero--- as to most americans who watched as he stood up to Saddam Hussein during the run-up to the first Iraq war.

You, sir, and the fraud and opportunist, not Joseph Wilson IV.

Posted by: p.lukasiak at July 15, 2005 02:35 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

lukasiak, how do you reconcile what Wilson said in his NYT op-ed with what he said before Congress, under oath?

Do you even think there are discrepancies between what he said on those occasions?

Posted by: rosignol at July 15, 2005 07:59 AM | Permalink to this comment Permalink

Do you even think there are discrepancies between what he said on those occasions?

none of any significance.

Certainly, none that can hold a candle to the lies, disinformation, deceptions and distortion perpetrated by those who got us into the war in Iraq in the first place.

Posted by: p.lukasiak at July 15, 2005 12:13 PM | Permalink to this comment Permalink
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