November 02, 2005The Article 3 Chronicles...NYT: Many officials said Mr. Addington, who helped create the legal framework after 9/11, remains a bulwark in support of those policies, deftly blocking or weakening proposed changes. Nonetheless, the internal politics of those issues have begun to shift in Mr. Bush's second term. More: A central player in the fight over the directive is David S. Addington, who was the vice president's counsel until he was named on Monday to succeed I. Lewis Libby Jr. as Mr. Cheney's chief of staff. According to several officials, Mr. Addington verbally assailed a Pentagon aide who was called to brief him and Mr. Libby on the draft, objecting to its use of language drawn from Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions. I've heard Waxman is a very bright guy (if quite a bit younger than Addington). So I'm sure he can more than hold his own. It would be nice, however, to see Condi and Hadley and England weigh in more. If Rumsfeld is ultimate arbitrer, I think I know where the decision point ends up. Over in 'cabal'-zone, of course. More on all this soon, and don't miss a somewhat related story here. As I said, we'll be analyzing the whole proposed Artice 3 lift in more detail. Remember, Addington and Cambone and Haynes and ostensibly Cheney are fighting this Geneva language insertion even though it's only a policy directive (not necessarily legally binding) and doesn't even apply to detainees in CIA custody (another problem, as the related story link showcases). Recall too, the uniformed service lawyers are for the rewrite--as they better understand the harm this is doing to us in the war on terror. The costs outweigh the perceived benefits. Big time, you might say. But they need a major ally in the Adminstration to tip the scales. Could it be Condi/Hadley (with assorted DoD allies, particularly in the brass), squaring off on an issue of national import with Rumsfeld and Cheney? I am doubtful, but hope remains alive, and McCain has put some wind in the sails...
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Have there been any studies of the efficacy of the Cheney/Rumsfeld policy toward detainee treatment? The problem, as i see it, is that by creating a "policy" that permits a certain level of abuse, one encourages the indiscriminate abuse of prisoners, and lowers the bar considerably in terms of what is considered "acceptable" treatment of the average prisoner. To me, the "solution" to the torture/abuse issue is to prohibit it officially --- but to allow it to happen as long as the "abuser/torturer" feels that the information to be gleaned is so critical that he is willing to give up his own career/freedom/life in order to get that information. In other words, prohibit it, allow it to happen, and then prosecute it to the fullest extent of the law. Such an approach would, imho, result in torture/abuse being an extremely infrequent occurence. Posted by: lukasiak at November 2, 2005 02:33 PM | Permalink to this commentCondi seems to be the go along to get along type. Don't expect her to take any stands against cheney and rumsfeld any time soon. Posted by: Tom wright at November 3, 2005 05:14 AM | Permalink to this commentThe NYT article incorrectly implies that Bush's position on the applicability of Article 3 differs from that of the 9/11 Commission. Here's the 9/11 report: Those Conventions establish a minimum set of standards for prisoners in internal conflicts. Since the international struggle against Islamist terrorism is not internal, those provisions do not formally apply, but they are commonly accepted as basic standards for humane treatment. That was the policy adopted by the Israeli courts, and a wise solution to the "ticking bomb" dilemma. So far, I believe, the Israelis have never come across a case where the vital necessity of torture was proved. Posted by: Alexei McDonald at November 3, 2005 03:59 PM | Permalink to this commenttesting SCode... - please disregard Posted by: tom Eberle at November 4, 2005 01:00 PM | Permalink to this commentLukusiak, The "confession" was one of the key pieces of "evidence" used by the NRO/AEI/NEOCON/Bush Admin. warmongerers to justify an immediate invasion of Iraq. In typical dishonest fashion they (e.g. shills like Dan Darling) still spout off the name al Libi to back the assertion that an Iraq/al qaeda connection existed pre-invasion. Now, it seems the DIA knew all along that there was nothing to corroborate the al Libi story and there was much reason to doubt it. However, since al Libi's story pleased those chomping at the bit to bless the Middle East with "creative destruction" the DIA's objections were silenced. The Bush admin. submitted to the world the case that Iraq and al qaeda were working together on terrorism involving WMD. The point being that the "solution" you propose would only work *if* the people in charge were reasonable and relatively objective. When you have a pack of dangerous fanatics in charge, when you have men with criminal records in your administration, men accustomed to beating the rap by hook or by pardon, when you have an important segment of your defense intelligence and propoganda machine dedicated to reshaping an entire region of the globe by military force, then I don't see how the restraints, such that they are, within your proposal would work. Posted by: avedis at November 7, 2005 10:23 AM | Permalink to this comment |
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