December 15, 2005Pamuk's TrialsDon't miss this interesting piece from Turkish novelist Orhan Pamuk: Last February, in an interview published in a Swiss newspaper, I said that “a million Armenians and thirty thousand Kurds had been killed in Turkey”; I went on to complain that it was taboo to discuss these matters in my country. Among the world’s serious historians, it is common knowledge that a large number of Ottoman Armenians were deported, allegedly for siding against the Ottoman Empire during the First World War, and many of them were slaughtered along the way. Turkey’s spokesmen, most of whom are diplomats, continue to maintain that the death toll was much lower, that the slaughter does not count as a genocide because it was not systematic, and that in the course of the war Armenians killed many Muslims, too. This past September, however, despite opposition from the state, three highly respected Istanbul universities joined forces to hold an academic conference of scholars open to views not tolerated by the official Turkish line. Since then, for the first time in ninety years, there has been public discussion of the subject—this despite the spectre of Article 301. Read the whole thing, as they say. Posted by Gregory at December 15, 2005 12:43 PM | TrackBack (1)Comments
Given that my wife is an Armenian-American whose grandfather fled the genocide in Turkey, I was interested in this piece right up to: "But these days the lies about the war in Iraq and the reports of secret C.I.A. prisons have so damaged the West’s credibility in Turkey and in other nations that it is more and more difficult for people like me to make the case for true Western democracy in my part of the world." Anyone who has to legitimize their differences with the Bush adminstration on Iraq by speaking of the latter's "lies" is just a silly novelist, not anyone I need listen to, because his other conclusions are probably just as hyperbolic. Posted by: Salt Lick at December 15, 2005 03:15 PM | Permalink to this commentIt sounds to me as if the "drama we see unfolding" is very much "a grotesque and inscrutable drama peculiar to Turkey." It is a truism that the national character of any country will reflect its history. Turkey's history, of which the Armenian genocide was an important chapter, certainly does have individual elements analogous to elements in the history of other developing (or developed) countries. But in the way all of its elements have combined over the years it is uniquely Turkish. Turkish sensitivity over the Armenian genocide long predates the formation of the EU, let alone the Turkish candidacy for membership. It may be tempting to look for commonalities between Turkey and other nations like India and China, but frankly yielding to that temptation in this case looks to me like an evasion. Whatever tensions might exist between the desire of Turks to join the global economy and the pull of Turkish tradition do not explain popular attitudes, or government policy, toward an episode of Turkish history of which there is so little to be proud. The question is a simple one of whether the truth about that episode is to be faced, or not. Posted by: JEB at December 15, 2005 07:17 PM | Permalink to this commentSome provocative commentary by Martin Kramer channeling Bernard Lewis. And speaking of novels, try Louis de Berniere's masterful "Birds without Wings." Posted by: Barry Meislin at December 15, 2005 09:08 PM | Permalink to this comment"But these days the lies about the war in Iraq and the reports of secret C.I.A. prisons have so damaged the West’s credibility in Turkey and in other nations that it is more and more difficult for people like me to make the case for true Western democracy in my part of the world." That's right. How can we expect others to follow our highest ideals when we do not adhere to them ourselves? It doesn't matter what excuse you make for our actions re: torture, rendition, etc. Even if you believe the excuses to be otherwise - valid reasons, valid exceptions to our way of doing things - you must accept how such actions appear to other cultures (or at least how other cultures will use those instances as excuses of their own). As for AL's link, all I can say is that at least the EU is asking that Turkey address the holocaust it perpetrated. That's more than the US has ever done. Finally on an historic note, I find it offensive that Pamuk lumps the deaths of a few Kurds in with the deaths of at least a million Armenians (there were several lesser pogroms pre 1915 in which Armenians were killed and had property confiscated). The Kurds circa 1915 were the henchmen of the Turks. The Turks found that they were not as efficient as they would like to be in killing off and displacing Armenians, what with the British and all on the sea coast. So the Turks hired the Kurds, who in their typical bloodthirsty style, slaughtered tens of thousands of Armenians; particualry in the South, places like Orfa (my grandmother's village). The history of the Kurds has been one of terrorism and cut-throat banditry. I've always been surprised by how this bunch of bloody theives has warmed the American heart; ignorance and shallowness, I guess. Posted by: avedis at December 16, 2005 01:42 AM | Permalink to this comment"But these days the lies about the war in Iraq and the reports of secret C.I.A. prisons have so damaged the West’s credibility in Turkey and in other nations that it is more and more difficult for people like me to make the case for true Western democracy in my part of the world." This strikes me as disingenuous. It's not as if Western perfidy and cruelty were news to anyone in the Middle East. Posted by: David Tomlin at December 16, 2005 02:00 AM | Permalink to this commentHey I realize this is OT and all, and I wouldn't want to interrupt such a stimulating discourse, but I think Al Queda has just been defeated in Iraq. OK, sorry, Please continue. |
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